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[re-mellow1]

why is there a B flat in the F major scale and not an A sharp
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[dinofond]

I'm convinced it's because when Diletskii put together the circle of IV's and V's it worked with the formula. They're the same note, why would it matter? Just curious
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[GuitarManiac]

Well actually each letter can only be used once.
So it has to be F G A Bb C D E F and not F G A A# C D E F

And indeed, they are the same on guitar and keyboard. But I've heard there are instruments where they are not exactly the same, I just don't know what instruments. Trumpets or something like that?
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[dinofond]

You know this question has been asked by scholars ever since I can remember. I remember this from way back in college. The reason I disagree with Maniac is because in the Baroque period They used I II III IV etc as music notation until some smart monk (Cant remember his name) came up with using 15 of the letters in the Greek alphabet on a staff with 11 lines and two octaves. The Middle line being middle C. When the circle of fifths was invented (or discovered I would say, it was always there) it really changed music notation. By the beginning of the next century people were loosing the single 11 line staff in lew of what's called the grand staff. The grand staff has a treble clef (or G Cleff) and a Bass Clef (or F Clef). J.S. Bach Added Time Signatures to in the very late 1700's.

My point was there was no A through G in music notation when the circle of 5ths was discovered, invented what ever you may call it. They corresponded with all the names of both sets of modes (total 15) previous to the clef's addition. There wouldn't be, at least in my opinion a grand staff without the circle of 5ths being present.

This only applies to "Western Music." If you look at different eastern music they have more then 12 tones in those scales. I think Arabian has 18 tones.

All that being said it is the same note in western music and sometimes I think all the harmony and analysis needs to be forgotten about because it confuses, it's a chicken or the egg type of question and really existential in origin. Michael Schenker doesn't know any theory, he plays by ear. Go listen to him and think to yourself "wow he knows no theory".

Dr. Spencer wherever you are in heaven, I finally put that year of Music History and Literature to work for me lolz.
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